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[00:04:21] Mayor Tribby: Okay, welcome everyone. I now call to order the regular meeting of the Palm Desert City Council and successor agency to the Palm Desert Redevelopment Agency, the Palm Desert Housing Authority and the Palm Desert Board of Library Trustees for Thursday, June 25th, 2026. City Clerk, may we please have the roll call? [00:04:42] City Clerk: Councilmember Harnik. [00:04:43] Councilmember Harnik: Here. [00:04:44] City Clerk: Councilmember Moreno. [00:04:46] Councilmember Moreno: Present. [00:04:47] City Clerk: And may we ask the nature of the need to remote participate? [00:04:50] Councilmember Moreno: Uh yes, I'm participating remotely from my office in City Hall due to illness. There is no one present in the room with me. [00:04:57] City Clerk: Thank you. Councilmember Nestande. [00:04:58] Councilmember Nestande: Here. [00:04:59] City Clerk: Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto. [00:05:00] Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto: Here. [00:05:01] City Clerk: And Mayor Tribby. [00:05:02] Mayor Tribby: Here. [00:05:02] City Clerk: All council's present. [00:05:03] Mayor Tribby: Okay, I'll now ask Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. [00:05:07] Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto: Please rise. [00:05:36] Mayor Tribby: I will now ask Councilmember Harnik to provide us with some words of inspiration. [00:05:39] Councilmember Harnik: Thank you, Mayor. How you do anything is how you do everything. Portrays how the whole picture of our life is composed of the sum of small moments. The way we do every little task, how we handle every minute is how we approach our life, job, friends, and how we use our time. The great philosopher Heraclitus is quoted, "Day by day, what you do is who you become." [00:06:10] Mayor Tribby: Excellent. Thank you very much. And if we could now have a report from closed session from our city attorney. [00:06:16] City Attorney: Thank you, Mayor. No reportable actions were taken in closed session this afternoon. [00:06:19] Mayor Tribby: Very good. Moving on to item nine, awards, presentations, and appointments. We will ask for our item nine A, a Palm Springs Airport Commission update. And um, Commissioner Kevin Weisman to present. [00:06:35] Speaker: Kevin's not here yet. [00:06:39] Mayor Tribby: All right. [00:06:42] Speaker: What do you think? [00:06:43] Speaker: He said he's parking. [00:06:44] Mayor Tribby: Okay. [00:06:45] Speaker: Yeah. [00:06:46] Mayor Tribby: Well, um, yeah, yeah, but. [00:06:49] Mayor Tribby: Other comments? [00:06:50] Speaker: Yeah. [00:06:51] Mayor Tribby: Okay. City manager comments. We'll jump leapfrog over to item 10, city manager. [00:06:56] City Manager: Thank you, Mayor. I'll invite up Lieutenant Boris for a quick update. [00:07:07] Lieutenant Boris: Hello, everyone. We're going to wait up and wait till we get a little flyer up here. I don't want to start. [00:07:15] Speaker: Maybe it's not ready. [00:07:17] Lieutenant Boris: There we go. So, next, in 2 weeks, we've been invited by Cathedral City Mayor Greg Wallace to participate in a senior scam awareness seminar. That's going to be here at Palm Desert Community Center. Unfortunately, these scams are still happening. Criminals are becoming increasingly sophisticated, using fear, urgency, deception to convince victims to withdraw cash, purchase gift cards, and send money order for under false pretenses. While this is still concerning, there is some encouraging news. We are seeing more members of the public stepping forward and helping us identify scams before victims lose their money. Retail clerks are calling law enforcement when they notice someone is purchasing large amounts of gift cards under suspicious circumstances. They are asking questions, recognizing warning signs, and helping protect vulnerable residents. We're also seeing ride-share drivers become an unexpected but important line of defense. In many scams, criminals instruct victims to withdraw cash or package money and then use ride-share drivers to transport it. The driver often has no idea they're being used as part of a criminal enterprise scheme. However, as awareness grows, more drivers are recognizing unusual circumstances such as elderly passengers making urgent trips to the bank or requests to transport suspicious packages. And they are contacting law enforcement when something doesn't seem right. And of course, bank employees continue to play a critical role. For years, they've been trained to identify fraud, financial and financial exploitation. Their vigilance has prevented countless victims from losing their life savings, and we're grateful for their partnerships. The common thread is simple: community involvement works. Law enforcement can't be everywhere, but when residents, businesses, financial institutions, and transportation providers work together, we create a stronger safety net for those who are most at risk. We encourage everyone to join us in this effort. Talk with your family members, especially seniors, also about common scams. Be willing to ask questions when something doesn't seem right, and if you suspect someone is being targeted, don't hesitate to contact law enforcement. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. [00:09:31] Mayor Tribby: Thank you, Lieutenant Porras. Well, I see that Mr. Weisman has arrived. May I jump back to number nine? And we'll have a report from the Palm Springs Airport Commission. [00:09:46] Commissioner Kevin Weisman: Hello everyone. Sorry for the delay. So, exciting things going on at the airports. I've been asked to keep that to about 3 minutes. So I'll paint in broad strokes and leave a little time for you guys to ask more. [00:10:00] Transcript gap: Gemini did not return transcript text for this 00:10:00-00:20:00 clip. Use the official video for this interval. [00:20:01] Speaker: The filtration tank that's on the left there is for the lap pool. It looks like it's kind of smaller in the picture, but that thing is about 6 and 1/2 feet in diameter, about 10 feet tall. Um, so, we're replacing it with a new filtration system. It's a lot more energy efficient, and it's also smaller and more compact. So, that, uh, the new one is only about 4 feet in diameter. [00:20:23] Speaker: Saved a lot of space in the pump room. [00:20:25] Speaker: Here are the new heaters going in. We had five and replaced them with four just because they're that much more efficient, and we're anticipating a 12% reduction in gas usage for, uh, heating the pools in the wintertime. [00:20:40] Speaker: This is the, we call it, the pit, and this is where all of the pumps live that pump the water, uh, throughout the facility. So, all of this, uh, plumbing was redone, and new pumps installed. These are the smart controllers that control the pumps, um, and help them to operate efficiently. [00:20:55] Speaker: A new generator was installed for backup power, um, when those smart controllers are operating and controlling the pumps, we want to make sure that we don't have any energy outages or power outages that affect the smart controllers in a negative way and, um, potentially can render them useless after power surges. [00:21:13] Speaker: So, that will protect those. [00:21:16] Speaker: And then we took the opportunity to make additional facility improvements while the pool had to be closed for the pump room renovations. [00:21:23] Speaker: The locker room flooring was resurfaced. [00:21:26] Speaker: There was new cabinetry and blinds installed in the multi-purpose room which is often used for birthday parties and other events. We did some renovations to the concessions area and repainted the lifeguard room. [00:21:39] Speaker: There was also new doors, new pieces to the splash playground area, new concrete, and then resurfacing the entire parking lot. So, the whole facility got a nice facelift. [00:21:50] Speaker: And it led us to the beautiful crystal clear blue water that we see today. [00:21:55] Speaker: We've got some rubber ducky floaties out there and some new recreational features for kids and adults alike to enjoy. [00:22:03] Speaker: Looking at the total capital investment for this fiscal year, it was a little over 2.8 million dollars. We had estimated initially that this project could cost upwards of 3.5. So, this came in under budget, and we're happy that we were able to complete it at that rate. [00:22:21] Speaker: And then I pulled this slide from the budget presentation directly, so it probably looks familiar. However, you can see our operational costs for this fiscal year are lower because of the closure. And we expect to get back to normal operations this coming fiscal year. We do have 1.75 set aside for capital improvements, but they're really focused on landscaping improvements, some fencing that needs to happen. So, they are more maintenance in nature than, and it won't cause any facility closures. So, we're not looking ahead to do any major work like that this fiscal year. And then for the general fund transfer, we're looking at 2.3 million. Um, is probably the, um, expenditures that we will see. However, we're anticipating 1.1 in revenue, so that will offset that to the 2.3 in general fund transfer. [00:23:11] Speaker: And so, what are our next steps? Well, we're going to have some fun this summer. The pool is back open. We invite everyone to come back and enjoy it. We've got dive-in movies. Hot summer nights are on Tuesdays and Fridays, and they stay open until 10:30 at night, so it's perfect for after the sun goes down if you don't want to be in the sun. We have great attractions and great food going on. Um, we'll also be looking to build back that attendance and, uh, you know, look for off-season ways to improve the attendance. So, take advantage of opportunities that we're not taking advantage of now and identifying those new, uh, programs that we can add. Um, and then other facility upgrades and maintenance for the future. We want to keep our fingers on the pulse of that, so we don't have any, um, big expenses that come up. The maintenance is, um, the key so that we can have longevity of this asset. Um, and I will also mention that for the 4th of July, there is a $10 admission flat rate for anyone who wants to come down and watch the fireworks from the pool. Um, and they'll have the concessions open and all of the recreational features going. So, uh, come on down and enjoy the aquatic center, and I'm open for any questions that you may have. [00:24:16] Speaker: Okay. Any questions? [00:24:19] Speaker: Council member Moreno. [00:24:22] Council Member Moreno: I didn't even raise my hand, but somehow you knew I had a question. Um, what was the cost of admission, um, for the 4th of July? [00:24:30] Speaker: It's $10 whether you're a resident or non-resident. It's a flat rate for that day only. They open at noon, and they'll be open until after the fireworks have been completed. [00:24:45] Council Member Moreno: Thank you very much. [00:24:46] Speaker: If I remember, last year you had the concessions open even to the park side. Like, in other words, people were just coming in from the park and able to use the concessions, and that's the plan again this year? [00:24:55] Speaker: That window will not be open this year. We've added more features in the concession stand to offer more food variety. So, unfortunately, that window can't be open, but, um, the Aquatic Center will be open and serving food. [00:25:06] Speaker: Okay. Perfect. Thank you. [00:25:07] Speaker: You're welcome. [00:25:08] Speaker: Good. [00:25:11] Speaker: Just one more quick update. Uh, Assistant City Manager Richard Cronie update on our new program, as well as we're utilizing video more to highlight city programs. [00:25:22] Assistant City Manager Richard Cronie: Good, uh, good evening, Mayor and City Council. Uh, so, tonight our our communication team, uh, would like to introduce, uh, what we're calling Palm Desert Stories, uh, which is a new video series, uh, to further expand our digital communication and community outreach efforts. [00:25:37] Assistant City Manager Richard Cronie: And so, our intent is really using storytelling, uh, to help, um, help provide a better understanding of the programs and services that we're offering every day, um, as well as, uh, strengthening both our transparency and engagement, kind of giving a behind-the-scenes look at what we do at times. Um, and so, our goal right now is to release new episodes at least monthly, uh, with the intent of, uh, increasing that frequency as time as time goes. And so, with that, uh, I'll like let let the premiere of our, um, Palm Desert Stories, uh, run. [00:26:37] Speaker: When a Palm Desert pet gets adopted, it helps with overcrowding, the city saves money, and most importantly, the pet gets a better life. Homeward Paws helps make that happen. The Homeward Paws program is a pet adoption incentive program designed to help Palm Desert residents adopt Palm Desert animals through the Riverside County Animal Services at the Coachella Valley Animal Campus. Through the program, Palm Desert residents who adopt a Palm Desert cat or dog may be eligible to receive a $125 gift cards to PetSmart or Petco, wherever you want to go. These gift cards are to help offset the expenses of bringing home a pet and help them feel settled in. [00:27:37] Speaker: Is there any sound for that portion? I can't hear it. [00:30:24] Speaker: That was our first one. [00:30:27] Speaker: All right, any questions from my colleagues? [00:30:30] Speaker: Good. Um, [00:30:31] Speaker: I couldn't hear any of that, that second portion, but thanks to ADA requirements, I was able to read the captions. Um, but I couldn't see or, uh, got a little blurry. Um, do we know if those stickers that were on there, is that the official sticker that will be taken to the library or was that something else? [00:30:57] Speaker: Yes, that is the official sticker. We had provided those to the shelter. [00:31:03] Speaker: Okay, thank you. [00:31:07] Speaker: Okay, very good. Good work. Um, we will now move on. That's it for seeing under comments, correct? Correct. All right, very good. Thank you. We'll now move on to item number 11, Mayor and Council member reports and requests for action. We will start with Council member Nustad. [00:31:24] Council member Nustad: No comments to share. Thank you, Mayor. [00:31:26] Speaker: All right, Council member Moreno. [00:31:31] Council member Moreno: Let me get to my notes here. Um, I'll leave the jazz events for my colleagues. On June 17th, I was part of the government advisory panel for Southern California Edison. And the discussion topic was on the public safety power shutoffs and a new process that's going in, as required by the California Public Utilities Commission. And what's being rolled out for 2027 includes more awareness of the exchange that they have on their website. And residential customers are eligible for a portable power stations, a $200 rebate, and $800 rebate for portable generators. There was a battery incentive. They said their funding for that is on the wait list, and that is the self-generation incentive. Um, I know as we talk about sustainability and how to have people keep the energy that they produce in their homes to keep some of that in case of emergencies. They are implementing a program called AFN, which is for customers with access and functional needs. And that's a little bit of a step beyond what they've done before, and it's not just having the medical baseline saying, 'Here's a way to keep your medically, essentially, the devices that are there for life support.' It's not just going to be my asthma compressor, your nebulizer. And they, I love that the discussions are also including individuals with intellectual disabilities. And that could create such a devastating disorientation for some of the customers, and I really appreciated that that hadn't been something that was ever brought up before. They highlighted the partnerships that cities can have by letting residents know about projects, programs like 211, and connecting them to food banks. And of course, this is when they can anticipate any major storm event and increase collaborations with the cities. I know that they sent out a survey to all of the city managers and public works directors, and they happened to mention that they know that we're ahead of that with our city. Um, let's see. If you are interested in getting those, they are through the SCE marketplace. And I mentioned that they're in apartments or mobile home communities. If you're getting your utilities from that HOA or that central office, you don't have your own SCE account to qualify to purchase them. And they said that is one of the topics that they're going to be bringing up to the next stages, but I think all of this should be rolled out by the middle of next year. Speaking of utilities, right now there is an opportunity or a webinar to help people understand what the decision-making process is for the California Public Utilities Commission. I think a lot of people know, 'My bills are going up, the rates are increasing,' but not the process to get involved and be part of those public hearings and not exist in an isolation is just letters that some folks know. Um, so, I think that one is going on Tuesday, June 30th, 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. I saw The Living Desert is hosting the 'Your Hometown Zoo Days.' Um, kids and adults in the Coachella Valley, you can save up to $15 per ticket. So, a family of four could be 100 bucks, and that is available to Coachella Valley residents. And you just have to show ID. Um, so, that's some fun stuff there. Speaking of animals, um, it is National Adopt-a-Cat Month. I know some folks from City Hall have adopted their feline companions. And, um, I'm happy to see that the program that was highlighted, brought up to speed, that that program for adoptions has launched. And something that has been going on for quite some time is presenting the idea that we finally do need to have a budget committee with Animal Services. Proposed it at the last meeting, and now those conversations are going on as far as the objectives for the committee, what that would look like, and moving it forward as another step of transparency. And I think that will really help reduce some of the frustration when people don't understand all of the limitations. And as I mentioned to the director, it's been, we've gotten through some uncomfortable situations to get to where we are, but it's made the process better and identified problems. And I know that's going to continue. Um, I appreciate what the library is doing as a cooling center. It's a highly functional cooling center. I know that we previously mentioned the Pokémon activities that may happen with Desert Rec. They're not happening with Desert Rec, but the Pokémon groups that reached out, they said, 'Thank you to Max and Rachel for helping with the Poki party on July 8th.' And that was, um, I also saw that right now on Libby, the online app, there are 2,000 books and 1,000 audiobooks available, which includes 53 read-alongs. So, here we go for all of the parents with kids trying to learn to read and you don't want them on the iPads. Well, if you can't compromise, here's something beneficial on the iPad. Um, let's see, 4th of July. Um, thanks to the staff and their family members that are going to be voluntold to be there. Uh, and thank you for staff for continuing the efforts to have the sensory space available at the community center. And the social media team, you guys have been knocking it out of the park, man. You guys are doing such a great job with having something... [00:37:37] Council member Moreno: Excuse me. Dynamic, engaging, and fun, and it really highlights the way that Team Palm Desert does things. And, um, I saw that June is National PTSD Awareness Month. And it goes hand in hand with what we were talking about the fireworks. Some other fun June recognition, um, let's see. What did I have? My notes, sorry. But, oh, we can't forget that June is LGBTQ Pride Month. And we know some of our residents, when we had a special meeting, mentioned that they were present at Stonewall, and they know what happened. And I know that, um, thankful again to see the city recognizing that. And amongst the, I don't even know how many there were. Could be, I don't know, 160, 168 of these recognitions. There were some interesting ones that I learned like the ninth was Donald Duck Day. For all of the Disney babies out there. And today is National Beatles Day, the band, not the bug. Um, National Catfish Day, Global Belly Button Day, and Handshake Day. So I hope you guys get a chance to do any of those. And the 23rd was National Wear Pink Day, and I'm surprised it wasn't on October 4th. If you know, you know. And that's it for what I've got. [00:39:03] Speaker: Very good. Thank you. Uh, Councilmember Harnik. [00:39:08] Councilmember Harnik: Well. Uh, we all had the opportunity to go to Desert Willow yesterday. We were all, was it yesterday? This week. Uh, we were all there to celebrate our fire and our sheriff professionals and thank them for what they do for our communities, and I'll let the Mayor did a great job leading that entire celebration, and I'll leave it to you to share some more. Uh, I did want to mention that on July 7th, it is outdoor worker day. And that is something we commemorate every year, and it was started here in Palm Desert, and fortunately, Assemblymember Wallace, Greg Wallace, has taken it and really made it his own and make sure that we do something. [00:40:00] Mayor Pro Tem: Every year. The first year, Burrtec was involved, and they made it special. So, you know, think about the people who keep our signals running. Our public works, who make sure that the parks are in good shape, or if a tree goes down, all our open spaces are still maintained. And those who work at Desert Willow outside, our sheriffs and Cal Fire, they're all outdoors. And our and Burrtec. So, I encourage everyone to say thank you. These are people who are out in, you know, 110 or whatever the degrees might be during the summer, and they carry this on to make sure that we have a great place to live. So, please make sure to say thank you to them on July 7th, but it wouldn't hurt to say thank you every day this summer. And that's all I have. Thank you. [00:40:58] Mayor: Very good. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. I want to recognize our economic development team that put on a brokers' breakfast last week. It was the first one we've done, and they collaborated with Best Valley Cities, and it was a really great opportunity to get in front of the commercial brokers that are often times selling the best places to do business. So, getting upstream, getting them educated onto what our city's doing to be business-friendly and get those folks coming to Palm Desert and staying ahead of what the market demands are for products in terms of real estate and zoning that we can stay on top of. So, thank you for that. Last week, CVAG Homelessness Committee met, and we made a recommendation to the Executive Committee to give the Executive Director of CVAG the ability to negotiate non-cash contributions for our participation in the Housing First program, which is good for Palm Desert because we use the PLHA funding, and that will go away. We'll exhaust those soon, so that gives our team flexibility to negotiate with CVAG in ways to preserve our general fund. Lastly, I would like to bring a request for action. We've had business owners come and testify to us about the unfair business practices created by the illegal pre-placements of signs. I've heard from residents as well. So, I'd like to ask for support to direct staff to look at our sign ordinance and just research if it's giving them the tools they need to properly enforce sign placement to our expectation, and it also aligns with our zero blight challenge. [00:42:41] Council Member: I support. [00:42:45] Mayor: Very good. Okay. As Councilmember Moreno mentioned, we did have our first annual jazz event at the McCallum Theatre, Saturday, June 13th. The city partnered with the McCallum Theatre. It was sort of a three-part day where at 9:00 a.m. at the library. And again, this is, in my opinion, great news to the library. I was so glad to see this. It was more a little bit of hands-on. I didn't attend it, but I think it was a little bit more of an interactive thing at the library where people can get to hear jazz and play jazz, I believe. And then at 1:00, we started the performances proper at McCallum Theatre. It was an all-afternoon event. A lot of local talent was showcased. And then the evening program brought in, I know Mayor Pro Tem and Councilmember Moreno and I all attended, and the talent there was just incredible. It was worthwhile. It was wonderful, and it's a great way for McCallum to extend their season. Whereas in years past, they'd close at the end of April. Now we're going into midsummer. And it was well attended and a great event. So, I look forward. Hopefully that won't be the one and only. Hopefully it'll be an annual event moving forward. As Councilmember Harnik mentioned, the Cove Commission held our annual awards luncheon this week at Desert Willow, where, if those of you are not familiar, Rancho Mirage, Indian Wells, Palm Desert all make up the Cove Commission. We talk about common issues and did awards program there. And the one thing really struck me, and it's always struck me since my time on council, is just how good our public safety personnel are. And I'll give you one example. I actually was fortunate enough to take a vacation last week, and I flew in and out of LA, and had some long-term parking there, what I thought was a safe place. Came back after the trip on a Sunday evening, Monday evening, and a car had been broken into out of this underground garage with hundreds of other cars. They picked ours to break into, God knows. And I filed a report with security there, did the whole rigmarole, insurance, blah, blah, blah. And talking to the security at the parking garage, he said, "Well, do you want to file a report with the LAPD?" And I said, "Probably a waste of time." He said, "Yeah, 99% chance they won't show up to do the report. You can do it online, probably won't amount to much." You contrast that with the stories we've heard at the public safety luncheon of deputies just doggedly pursuing these, what in many other cities would be considered like a minor property crime, say identity theft or misuse of somebody's credit card, and they don't stop until the case is closed. And it was just a great reminder, sometimes you got to get out of the city to remind yourself how good we have it here. It is really remarkable, and I'm just really grateful for both fire and sheriffs for the services they provide in our city. Very, very grateful for that. And on one last note, again, like I said, I was fortunate enough to take a vacation last week, so I don't have a whole lot of business to talk about, but it did give me a chance to catch up on my pleasure reading. I did read our poetic anthology, which I think is the first ever we've ever done, and it's Marigolds Dipped in Marmalade. It's free. It's available at the library. I picked this one up actually here at City Hall, and it was outstanding. And I wasn't really certain how I was going to take to the Poet Laureate program. It's a relatively new program for us. I wasn't sure if it was really something the city ought to be involved in, and even if this is the only thing the Poet Laureate does is conduct these bi-weekly programs for local residents and non-residents who want to learn more about poetry, bring out their sense of expression and articulation. That's all well worth it. So, excellent program, and thanks again to the library and the city for moving forward with that project. So, that's all I have, and thank you very much. [00:46:15] Mayor: Next up, we are going to move on to item number 12, non-agenda public comments. This time has been set aside for the public to address the City Council on issues that are not on the agenda for up to 3 minutes. Because the Brown Act does not allow the City Council to act on items not listed on the agenda, council members may briefly respond or refer to the matter to staff for report and recommendation at a future meeting. And I guess, City Clerk, if you could have a few remarks, please. [00:46:43] City Clerk: For those on Zoom, if you want to participate in public comment, please click the 'raise hand' button on your computer or smartphone. And if you're joining in by calling on your phone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. And when called upon, press star six to unmute yourself. [00:46:56] Mayor: Okay, very good. I'm going to start off with our in-person. We have one blue card here from Sensei Tamara. [00:47:12] Sensei Tamara Canedo: Hello, good day. My name is Sensei Tamara Canedo, and I am CEO of Seidokan Dojo and owner of Seidokai. Weird names, but I am a karate instructor, and I specialize in teaching para karate. And I teach individuals with disabilities: autism, Down syndrome, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, blind, and wheelchair. And as of last year, I got appointed para karate coach for Team USA. I'm super excited. Thank you, Mayor, for attending my tournament this year. It was a very big impact. We had over 160 para competitors. And something that I'm very proud, I am a new Palm Desert resident, and I officially have the largest para karate team in the country. So, as a woman in a male-dominated industry, it is an honor. But the reason for me coming in today is one, I'm very grateful for the opportunity for having presented my first grant to the City of Palm Desert. I am also a nonprofit. And we are looking towards relocating from La Quinta to also moving into the City of Palm Desert. I just got some Inland Regional Center approval for vendorization, and we'll be expanding our services. As of a couple of months ago, I brought in a therapist from Barbara Sinatra Center because a lot of the individuals that I work with are foster kids, sexually abused children, and believe it or not, a lot of my children and adults with disabilities also have been abused. So, bringing in a therapist and the mental health compartment has been huge for us. But as of officially today, I have an ER doctor that is joining us for nutrition and personal training. And the reason is, as you may know, there are dietary sensitivities and sensory's that individuals with disabilities have, which have led them to diabetes, cardiac issues, kidney and liver failure. Every scenario you can imagine, I am dealing with within my team. So, I'm not just teaching para karate, we're teaching life skills: respect, focus, diet, exercise, and so much. So, God willing, in the next couple of months, we will be officially here in the City of Palm Desert. But I did want to just present today and talk about a little bit of my program. Thank you. [00:49:40] Mayor: Very good. Thank you so much. All right. And any online comments? [00:49:45] City Clerk: Yes. One speaker, Todd Spitzer. [00:49:51] Mayor: Very good. Mr. Spitzer. Mr. Spitzer, your your [00:50:00] Transcript gap: Gemini did not return transcript text for this 00:50:00-01:00:00 clip. Use the official video for this interval. [01:00:02] Presenter: and clarifying language to protect the First Amendment. I'm here to answer any questions that you may have. [01:00:08] Chair: Okay, before I bring it back to my colleagues for questions and discussion, we're going to open up for public comment. I have no blue cards. Are there any online comments? No online comments? Terrific, okay. Anybody have any questions from the dais? [01:00:21] Councilmember: You selected 25 as the threshold for an organized distribution, as the number of distributors is when it becomes organized and needing a permit. How'd you come up with that number and did you evaluate other numbers? [01:00:37] Staff: That number was recommended by BB&K who developed the ordinance updates, and I can't speak directly to that. Perhaps the city attorney can weigh in. [01:00:51] City Attorney: Mayor pro tem, I am not sure if we evaluated other numbers specifically for Palm Desert, but it is a going with the herd strategy. [01:01:03] Chair: Okay, any other questions? [01:01:06] Councilmember: I have a question. In regards to the skate park, when fines are issued to minors, who does the bill get sent to? [01:01:20] Staff: The bill will be addressed to the parent of the minor or guardian. [01:01:24] Councilmember: And is there a threshold of fines at which point they'll say you're not following our safety guidelines and you've incurred them? I think it's set up to if there are three per year, I think it bumps up, but is there any place in which we'd say your privileges of the skate park are revoked or until you pay X amount, or what's the overall enforcement for safety? [01:01:55] Staff: So the structure of that is that it does reset each year. So there is an escalating fine. So if you have a second violation in the same year, then there's an increased fine and then a third violation. After that, it would be exclusion. However, without an attendant, it is difficult to enforce. And then the following year that would reset. So the fines and the escalation of those fines reset each year. [01:02:23] Councilmember: So if, understandably, it's costly to have an attendant there. So how do people notify to get those fines? Is that just if code happens to be passing or if somebody makes a report? I have no idea what the process is. [01:02:41] Staff: Yes, thank you for that question. We will have QR codes posted at the skate park. So at any time for any issue in any in the parks, we have QR codes where you can report an issue whether it be with folks not complying with park rules, or broken sprinkler, dogs off leash, what have you. So those QR codes will be available for those reports, and then code enforcement and RSO of course will be present in the parks as they normally are to enforce the rules. [01:03:10] Councilmember: Thank you. I appreciate that. [01:03:12] Staff: You're welcome. [01:03:15] Chair: Anybody care for discussion or direction or anything else? [01:03:19] Councilmember: I was just going to say we did discuss this issue in depth in case the public is wondering why we're basically ready to approve this. So, I believe we have fully vetted it and we're going to give it a chance. [01:03:35] Chair: All right, we'll see no further discussion. I'll entertain a motion. [01:03:39] Councilmember: Move. [01:03:40] Councilmember: Second. [01:03:42] Clerk: Councilmember Harnik. [01:03:44] Councilmember Harnik: Yes. [01:03:45] Clerk: Councilmember Medina. [01:03:46] Councilmember Medina: Yes. [01:03:47] Clerk: Councilmember Nestande. [01:03:48] Councilmember Nestande: Yes. [01:03:49] Clerk: Mayor Pro Tem Predetto. [01:03:50] Mayor Pro Tem Predetto: Yes. [01:03:51] Clerk: Mayor Trubee. [01:03:51] Mayor Trubee: Yes. [01:03:52] Clerk: Motion passes 5 to 0. [01:03:53] Chair: Terrific. Thank you. Thank you, Shawn. [01:03:56] Chair: On to item 15, public hearings. The public may comment on individual public hearing items within the 3-minute time limit. The applicant and appellant will be provided with up to 10 minutes to make their presentations. Following public testimony, the appellant and applicant will be given an opportunity to offer rebuttal comments for up to three additional minutes. [01:04:17] Chair: And we're going to start with item 15A, introduce an ordinance amending Title 25 of the Palm Desert Municipal Code to reestablish golf cart and neighborhood electric vehicle sales as a distinct land use classification. [01:04:34] Chair: And we'll have a staff report. [01:04:37] C.E. Fernandez: Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. C.E. Fernandez, senior planner with Development Services, here to present on this item. [01:05:13] C.E. Fernandez: So, this is for our golf cart sales and neighborhood electrical vehicle sales. This is a reintroduction. So, this is a city-initiated zoning ordinance amendment. This impacts our commercial, industrial, and downtown districts. This is in order to reestablish a use that was previously established. So, just a little bit of background, this was previously approved back in 2023, which created development standards for this type of use, and provided provisions as far as how this use was going to be regulated. Inadvertently, it was removed in 2024. It was later identified by staff that there was an inconsistency within the code. So, now that we're bringing it back, we're looking at introducing golf cart sales as an indoor use through a staff-level decision in our planned commercial areas and in our service industrial areas. We're also looking at bringing back the outdoor, triggering a conditional use within our service industrial zone. So, as part of this, staff identified some items that were, they could be seen as barriers as far as not allowing this use within certain zones or within certain criteria since the development standards that were originally introduced provided some challenges and some barriers. So, in order to be more business-friendly, we're also proposing removing some of the requirements, and these photos are just some examples of some businesses that are no longer there, and that could potentially utilize this type of use. The only thing is if the code is the way that it's currently written, it would be prohibitive and costly in order to be able to establish the use at these locations. Primarily, the two provisions that we're removing is that it needs to be on a primary frontage. Also, the requirement for glazing. So, it requires a significant amount of glazing which are good planning principles, but it's prohibitive to establishing a business. Also, we're looking at the parking standard. I know as far as some of the conversations that staff has had with applicants. [01:07:50] Councilmember: Council member, I'm sorry to interrupt. When you talk about glazing, can you be more specific, please? [01:07:55] C.E. Fernandez: Sure. [01:07:57] Councilmember: You're the pro. I'm just trying to keep up with you. [01:08:21] C.E. Fernandez: So, as of right now, one of the requirements is that streets facing facades shall have transparent glazing, so glass, for the display areas. The transparent windows or doors shall be provided for at least 75% of the building wall area located between 2 and 1/2 feet and 8 feet. So, as an example, Big 5, no longer there. In order for them to occupy the space, they would have to add a significant amount of glass, which obviously would enhance the building, but at the same time could be cost prohibitive. And they would need to change the orientation of the entire building. So it would be a pretty significant lift in order to be able to establish the use there. Similar to Saks Fifth Avenue, they do have glazing along the frontage. It's just it still doesn't meet that standard and requirement as the way that the code is written. So then similar to Big 5, they would have to make a significant amount of modifications to the building in order to be able to establish the use. [01:09:33] Councilmember: No problem. [01:09:34] C.E. Fernandez: Also, we were looking at parking. I know typically for this type of use, we've been seeing a lot of demand in our service industrial areas. Currently, the way that the parking standard stands, it requires a three per 1,000 parking count, which can be challenging within our service industrial areas where parking is established at typically around two per 1,000. So what we're looking at... [01:10:01] Mr. Fernandez: doing is establishing an individual parking standard for this use to be able to allow for these uses. And as part of that, we still review it through the administrative use permit, which is a staff level decision. So, we can still evaluate parking on a case-by-case basis. [01:10:20] Mr. Fernandez: As far as public notification, this went out to The Desert Sun 20 days as required by state law. [01:10:27] Mr. Fernandez: We haven't received any opposition to the zoning ordinance amendment. I know we have had some discussions with some business owners who are interested in potentially moving to the City of Palm Desert. And as far as what we've heard so far is that they are in support of the change. [01:10:44] Mr. Fernandez: Also, too, this went to Planning Commission, and they also recommended unanimous approval. [01:10:52] Mr. Fernandez: So, staff's recommendation is that City Council approve an ordinance establishing and amending the applicable municipal code sections and reestablishing golf cart and NEV sales and determine that the action is not subject to CEQA or alternatively is exempt pursuant to state guidelines. [01:11:11] Mr. Fernandez: That concludes staff's presentation. [01:11:14] Chair: Perfect. Thank you, Mr. Fernandez. At this time, I will open the public hearing. I don't have any blue speaker cards. Are there any online comments? [01:11:26] Staff: No online comments. [01:11:27] Chair: Okay. Then I will close the public hearing and open up for questions for my colleagues. Any questions? [01:11:34] Chair: All right. Any discussion? [01:11:38] Councilmember Moreno: Sorry, I do have a question. I needed to click and make notes. For the image of Big 5 and saying that it would require more windows than a lot of a lot of change. Is there a guideline of of how much of that glazing has to be put in place? Is that part of objective standards, or what's the determination as far as how much changes would need to happen at a building we're encouraging someone to occupy? [01:12:12] Mr. Fernandez: So, for in order for a use to with our current standards to establish at the Big 5 location, they would have to change the orientation of the building facing Highway 111. As far as the glazing, it's that 75% requirement from that 2 and 1/2 feet to the 8 feet. So, and you can't have more than 20 feet of expanse area that is devoid of glazing. So, it would be a pretty significant lift in order to be able to establish that use there. [01:12:44] Councilmember Moreno: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. [01:12:48] Councilmember Hardesty: So, I have more questions. [01:12:50] Mr. Fernandez: Yeah. [01:12:51] Councilmember Hardesty: So, on the on the heels of what Councilmember Moreno just said, so we're suggesting, help me out here, because I am, I'm struggling. [01:13:03] Mr. Fernandez: Sure. [01:13:04] Councilmember Hardesty: Um, so you're suggesting we won't ask them to have that glazing. [01:13:11] Mr. Fernandez: The way that the code is being proposed is that it wouldn't be a requirement. In the event that the business owner wanted to come in and make modifications to the building, that would go through our design review process. It's just as far as it being a strict requirement that they have to provide that amount of glazing, that's what we're proposing. [01:13:32] Councilmember Hardesty: Okay, and so often the amount of glazing has to do with public safety. And have we talked to, you know, any of our business teams, at the Sheriff's business teams, and things like that, because so often it's what can they see in there? [01:13:49] Mr. Fernandez: Okay. [01:13:50] Mr. Fernandez: Yeah, not to my knowledge. [01:13:53] Councilmember Hardesty: Okay. [01:13:55] Councilmember Hardesty: You know, I'm I'm hesitant with this because we're saying now we had this standard in place. Yeah, it would be a significant lift. There's no question, and I, and I get that. But is it an important lift for the integrity of the shopping center and the character of what we're trying to convey and safety? So, those are my questions, and I know that that's that's no easy answer, but it's my hesitancy and my question. [01:14:37] Chair: Well, sure. So, what we're being asked to do with this action item is that this amendment is to establish a tailored parking standard for golf cart and NEV sales. And also, staff is asking us to remove references and requirements that these uses be oriented in fronting major public streets and removing the requirement that street facing facades have transparent glazing. And it went to the Planning Commission, and they approved staff's recommendation unanimously. And so, we're really being asked to just clarify this ordinance as well. It's more of a technical, clerical discussion. So, I'm ready to approve staff's recommendation. [01:15:33] Chair: Okay. More questions from Councilmember Hardesty. [01:15:36] Councilmember Hardesty: I'm trying to understand the great advantage of taking away the requirements we've had in the past. Has there been requests for it? [01:15:49] Mr. Fernandez: So, typically the way that when we receive inquiries, we send them the section of the code and identify what the requirements would be in order for them to establish the use. And typically, for this type of use, when we send them the requirements, then they typically don't come back. [01:16:08] Councilmember Hardesty: I see. I can't help but think that we need to run this by our public safety. I mean, there's part of the reason we have the glass that's exposed to the street is for safety reasons. You know, when it's concealed from the street, all sorts of shenanigans can happen. So, I'm just hesitant about that. I think there was a good reason for it, and I don't know. Have we looked at that? Should we look at that? And these are authentic questions. [01:16:43] Staff: And if I may interject, we can certainly continue the item. We can get some clearance, and then we can come back with it if it's if it's the wish of the council, and that way we can be clear on any of the requirements from Sheriff. [01:16:57] Councilmember Hardesty: Okay, is there any sense of urgency on this particular item at this time? [01:17:03] Mr. Fernandez: Uh, for this, it would just be to clarify and provide guidance. [01:17:08] Councilmember Hardesty: No one who's saying right now, 'But I want that building if I didn't have to comply with your standards.' [01:17:14] Mr. Fernandez: We have received interest, but nothing no type of application has come in. [01:17:19] Councilmember Hardesty: Thank you. [01:17:20] Councilmember: Can I also follow up on that? I thought we had a golf cart operator whose lease is up, wanting to relocate, and time was of the essence. [01:17:32] Mr. Fernandez: So, I know we have received inquiries, but as far as an application, we haven't received an application. So, any type of formal application hasn't come in. [01:17:40] Staff: So, this item is before you because there was a request for action to review our ordinance a few months ago, and so staff has gone through the process to clarify and understand the items that were inadvertently removed before, and so this is why it's before you today. [01:17:57] Councilmember Hardesty: So, he, the [01:17:58] Chair: Could the question be answered that Council Member Harnik has about safety right now? [01:18:04] Mr. Fernandez: I'll defer to Rosie. [01:18:11] Rosie: If I can add one more additional context, and since I was here during the 2023 original ordinance and why that actually why that requirement came about about the glass window. When staff was developing the original ordinance and standard, it was more about the visibility into the store for marketing purposes, per se, and and making and trying to make or trying to orient these businesses, because at the time it was mostly off of frontages. And it was, as we looked at it, it was more restrictive in nature in what it was doing. We didn't look at it, we didn't get comments or look at it from the safety angle. It was really from, you know, the visibility angle because we were not, because we were saying, we aren't going to allow golf cart sales in some of these planned commercial areas to be outdoors. It's only going to be indoor ones. And so, the way to maybe still create a visual nature is to add more window, more glazing. Now, as we looked at it in practicality, as he mentioned, a lot of applicants weren't able to do that. Additionally, a lot of our, when buildings are originally built or any revisions go through our design review process where our RSC is huge on glazing for many different reasons and trying to see the visibility from it. So, it's kind of a long way of saying that the original intent of that requirement was more about the visibility from a little more of a marketing purposes, I guess, to see the golf carts, and because a lot of these businesses, we thought at the time, would want a lot more of that. And then, as we got more feedback, you know, it became prohibited to repurpose some of [01:20:02] Speaker: these buildings. [01:20:04] Council member Harnik: Okay. I, and I know, I know you're waiting. I just have an additional comment. I, and I, I know we're looking at it marketing, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have also been looking at it from a safety aspect. And if we can continue it, that gets a full and robust feedback on this policy, I think it's important. And if one person is moving, one person is moving, and that's important, but should not drive policy that comes up. It should be well thought out that it serves the entire community well. And I think it's worth, I believe it's worth, just let's look at it completely from every angle. Let's do a 360 on this and make sure we're doing the right thing. Maybe the Planning Commission didn't think about that, and that's why it comes to us. [01:21:06] Speaker: Well, my only other comment is that we've, we've had this issue for a few months already, and it would have been wonderful to have had this looked into by now, but... [01:21:20] Council member Harnik: It most certainly would have, but we haven't. We've had it for a few months, so let's continue it, and let's do it right, the way our community deserves that. [01:21:28] Mayor Pro Tem Peredo: Mayor Pro Tem. Staff, for instance, the Big 5 building is a retail use. Any other retailer moves in, they would not have to change the glazing, correct? [01:21:49] Staff: That is correct. This was a specific development standard for this particular type of use. So, any other operator retail, they wouldn't be subject to these standards. [01:22:01] Mayor Pro Tem Peredo: And so, the discussion we're having is essentially treating golf cart sales as a normal retail use. [01:22:09] Staff: So, it's still, it's not just general retail because it would, it wouldn't require an administrative use permit, which is our staff level decision. So, it's a little bit more distinct, so that way we were able to come up with conditions of approval, so that way we can try to regulate and prevent any potential issues that we may see with the proposed use. [01:22:31] Mayor Pro Tem Peredo: Cannabis, gun sales, neither one of them have to comply with glazing for safety reasons? [01:22:39] Staff: No. [01:22:41] Mayor Truby: Council member Harnik, is there anything that is particular to the golf cart sales that triggers your concern for safety above some other uses that we don't require that? [01:22:51] Council member Harnik: It's not only the golf cart. It is, in general, we've asked for glazing, we've asked for certain things, and now we're saying, but maybe not. And I think we need to look at it. I would appreciate a more comprehensive review of this policy before we, we bite the... Once you know what it takes to reverse a policy. [01:23:15] Mayor Truby: Staff, what other retail or similar uses to golf carts require the glazing? To the same standard as the golf carts? [01:23:27] Staff: So, the golf cart standard is unique. It, it, it stands on its own. [01:23:34] Mayor Truby: Okay, thank you. [01:23:37] Council member Moreno: Mayor, may I? [01:23:39] Mayor Truby: Absolutely, Council member Moreno. [01:23:41] Council member Moreno: I agree with Council member Harnik that we need to take our time and do it right, and that there's a very big difference in looking at this from the marketing perspective, from the public safety elements, and we do want to accommodate new business, but I think that we need to do this carefully, and if we're changing an entire segment to treat one category as very in a whole different way, I don't think that we are doing our due diligence to make sure that we make the best decisions. If we're making this change for one, and I'm thinking, if this were to create any safety issues that are even unintended, not just theft. For example, if my understanding is there would need to be more windows facing the street. Did I understand that correctly? And if that's the case, doesn't that mean that there's potential for somebody to end up running through their window? I mean, if we're looking at all of the, all of the businesses that are there on 111, where you've got the Olive Garden and Red Lobster and the cosmetology school, there's no windows there. And where it may be something people want windows, I think we're looking at it as the additional public safety element, not just from theft. Um, but I do concur that there's nothing that's holding us to make that decision today. Um, good data equals good decision-making, and I would support tabling this, or if that's my, if I can make the motion to table this for a later date with better information. [01:25:26] Mayor Truby: All right, Councilmember Harnik. [01:25:28] Council member Harnik: Thank you, Mayor. I, I have some more questions. [01:25:32] Mayor Truby: By the way, we have a motion, just if anybody wants to second it, just so we know, but of course, after questions. [01:25:37] Council member Harnik: Uh, so, are we, help me out here. Are we saying now our golf, we can have electric vehicle and golf car sales? Are we lifting it so we can have them? And I'm, and I'm, and I apologize. I'm looking through here and I'm a little lost. Uh, anywhere in the city? Are we lifting that so that, I mean, I, I, I got thrown off by the Saks Fifth photo. Are we saying we would have them there? [01:26:09] Staff: So, [01:26:10] Council member Harnik: Or is that just an example of glazing? [01:26:12] Staff: No, so as far as the way that the code is established right now, it is a provision within our downtown district. So, in the Saks Fifth Avenue example, not saying that we have anyone that's interested in that location, but as an example, that's not facing a main, the primary frontage. The primary frontage is 111 versus San Pablo. The building faces San Pablo, so it wouldn't meet that provision. Also, too, as far as the glazing, it does have a good amount of glazing in front of it on the left side, but on the right side, it doesn't meet that provision. So, it also wouldn't meet that standard. So, we, if someone was interested in that location, currently, it would be an administrative staff level decision, but we wouldn't be able to approve. [01:27:02] Council member Harnik: So, they could, though, if they, if they went to, and that location would be acceptable for golf cart sales? [01:27:12] Staff: With a correct use permit, yes. As it stands today, the answer would be no. [01:27:18] Council member Harnik: Okay. Okay. [01:27:26] Mayor Truby: Any other questions, or did anybody care to second Council member Moreno's motion to table with further, sounds like further research into the safety provisions or the glazing requirements? [01:27:41] Council Member: If, if I would add, I, well, I'm not going to add a friendly amendment. What I am going to do is offer another, uh, I am satisfied. And I would offer another motion that we move as presented. [01:28:01] Council member Niswander: I will second that motion. Move as presented. [01:28:07] Mayor Truby: Okay. So, for the record, the motion from Council member Moreno dies for lack of second, and on the motion to move forward as staff presented, Council member Harnik. [01:28:20] Council member Harnik: Yes. [01:28:22] Mayor Truby: Council member Moreno. [01:28:24] Council member Moreno: No. [01:28:25] Mayor Truby: Council member Niswander. [01:28:26] Council member Niswander: Yes. [01:28:28] Mayor Truby: Mayor Pro Tem Peredo. [01:28:29] Mayor Pro Tem Peredo: Yes. [01:28:29] Mayor Truby: Mayor Truby. [01:28:31] Mayor Truby: Yes. Motion passes 4 to 1. [01:28:32] Council member Harnik: May I have one quick second? Thank you very much for answering all my questions and helping me. [01:28:37] Mayor Truby: Yeah, thank you, Mr. Fernandez. Appreciate that. Okay, on to item 15B, resolutions related to the adoption of the fiscal year 2026-2027 financial plan and capital improvement program. Looking for a staff report. [01:28:54] Council member Moreno: Mayor, can we take a quick break since I know the budget usually takes a little bit more time. Would that be okay? [01:29:01] Mayor Truby: I am okay with that. Joe is ready to stand up and stretch it out. Might be actually nice and quick. Okay, let's take a break. Yeah. [01:29:16] Council member Moreno: Thank you. [01:29:17] Mayor Truby: We'll say 10 minutes if that's okay. Come back 5:35. [01:29:20] Council member Moreno: That's perfect. Thank you. [01:29:21] Mayor Truby: Thank you. [01:32:04] Speaker: Mhm. [01:35:54] Speaker: Mhm. [01:37:49] Speaker: Mhm. [01:40:00] Transcript gap: Gemini did not return transcript text for this 01:40:00-01:50:00 clip. Use the official video for this interval. [01:50:00] Transcript gap: Gemini did not return transcript text for this 01:50:00-02:00:00 clip. 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[02:10:39] Speaker: Perfect. Okay. Very good. Any other, um, [02:10:42] Speaker: comments from my colleagues? [02:10:45] Speaker: All right. Well, then I will entertain a [02:10:47] Speaker: motion. [02:10:50] Speaker: I will thank staff for their hard [02:10:51] Speaker: efforts and approve the motion. [02:10:55] Speaker: Second. [02:10:58] Speaker: Councilmember Harnik? [02:10:58] Councilmember Harnik: Yes. [02:10:59] Speaker: Councilmember Marino? [02:11:00] Councilmember Marino: Yes. [02:11:01] Speaker: Councilmember Nestande? [02:11:02] Councilmember Nestande: Yes. [02:11:03] Speaker: Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto? [02:11:04] Mayor Pro Tem Perdeto: Yes. [02:11:05] Speaker: Mayor Truby? [02:11:06] Mayor Truby: Yes. [02:11:06] Speaker: Motion passes 5 to 0. [02:11:07] Speaker: All right. On to item 16, which is no [02:11:10] Speaker: further business. We are hereby [02:11:12] Speaker: officially adjourned. [02:11:15] Speaker: Thank you, everyone. [02:11:16] Speaker: Have a happy, safe 4th of July. Hydrate.